FOR-EV-ERRRR
So, I need to remind myself that this "down time" is a good thing and not worry about not getting on any shows right now. But, I can't help but be bothered by some of the flyers I've seen lately for upcoming local shows. Basically, what is happening is the local scene is getting super "cliquey". Actually, it's been that way for quite awhile now, it just seems like it's getting worse.
It's one thing to play a lot of shows with other bands that you get along with and/or other bands that have a similar sound, but to exclusively play with only a handful of bands is, well... it's fucking boring!
I open event invites and surprise surprise, there is a flyer listing the same four bands that played together last week only this time they are at a different venue. Same exact bands, different venue. And even worse, sometimes it's the same fucking bands AND the same fucking venue; playing within just a couple weeks time span.
Really people? You can't switch it up a little bit? Did these bands sign some sort of contract that says they can't play with any other bands? I feel like the promoters just copy the bands from last weeks flyer and paste it to a different picture. Maybe it helps with their overhead?
There are a couple things at play here. One, is there are some bands that like to "big time" other bands. By that I mean, they act like they are better than (far superior than) other bands who may not have as big of a following (yet) as them or who haven't been together as long. So, they won't play shows with them. Maybe they can't associate with bands that haven't gotten the "right" amount of press. But, let's be real here, The New Times seems to only write about the same bands over and over again as well. My theory here is that there are new writers getting journalism degrees interning at the New Times and the only local shows they see are all based in a small radius around campus in Tempe, which is where most of these "cliquey" bands play. Seriously, it's like these bands are those snobby Manhattan-ites who never leave the city limits, pretentiously thinking there is nothing else out there worth their time; only these bands are just hipster rock bands playing at dive bars in Tempe, Arizona.
AIR-EH-ZONE-UH
(say it like "forever" from Sandlot)
Trust me, if you've ever or even never been to Tempe, I can tell you it's cool, but it's not that damn cool. Also, these bands who "big time" other bands better be careful, one day they might find themselves on the other end of that unforgiving stick.
On a side note, I must say that The New Times has seemed to get a little bit more diverse since the new music editor took over, but there is still a lot of room for improvement there. I could definitely stand to see more variety in the styles of bands they cover.
I could be shooting myself in the foot talking shit about a publication that could potentially help my band in the future, but... fuck it. I'm just trying to keep it real here. And considering my band isn't an experimental, hipster, garage band, I think the odds of anyone from there actually reading this is pretty slim.
That leads me to the other reason we are seeing the same bands play together over and over again. It seems there are strict guidelines you have to meet if you want to play a show with these bands. Basically, you have to be an experimental, hipster, garage band. Some criteria might include, exclusively drinking PBR and whiskey, having a beard (if you are a guy), and generally just being "too cool" for anyone or anything.
I'm really struggling here with whether or not I should call out some of these bands. I really want to, but my guess is, they already know who they are. Besides, If I do decide to call them out, I have a much better idea on how to do it. But, I've got to say, that some of these bands are really good and I am actually a fan of some of them. There is definitely some good music to be heard at these shows, it just bothers me that a lot of them are so damn stuck in their high school-like clique to let any other band share a show with them. There are a lot of amazing bands here in the valley and they don't all fit this "criteria" and get the love they deserve, Catfish included.
Maybe that's why we've fit in so well with the reggae scene, even though I wouldn't classify our sound as reggae. We definitely have reggae influences, but it's not our primary sound. The thing about the reggae scene is they love everyone. They are definitely all about the irie love for everyone not about exclusivity.
Sorry. I just had to talk about it. I'm sure other people have noticed, but I haven't heard anyone else say it. I just had to get it off my chest.
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ReplyDeleteI've only been in AZ for 4 years and I've only been in a band for 2 but I came from the Mid West where the "scene" actually includes music from all genres, people genuinely like to see and help their fellow musicians succeed and promoters actually do their jobs because they have a LOVE for it, not just dollar signs in their eyes.
ReplyDeleteWhere I'm from you can go to a hip hop show one night and an indie show the next and see the same people at both because they love music and have a sense of community. It's all about solidarity.
I haven't experienced ANYTHING even close to that since I've been here and I'm speaking from both sides, as a music lover and a musician.
The first thing I've noticed is that for the most part genres are divided. Sure they collide on occasion but not as often as they should. There are a lot of cliques.
People stick to their own thing and if it's not going to benefit them they steer clear.
I'm in a rock band. I've supported the hip hop scene here since day one, made plenty of "friends" and guess how many of them have actually come to any of our shows?
One.
One, who would eventually ask me to let him book and promote our CD release. (We were not only new to Arizona but we were a new band with little to no connections.) He thought the promoters we had been working with were doing us a disservice. I was reluctant because he was a hip hop promoter but more importantly he was my friend and so I talked my band into letting him do it.
Long story short, 2 weeks before our show he stopped answering our singer's emails, stopped returning my calls and texts and we had to cancel what was supposed to be our biggest show.
The promoters here are just shady.
If they aren't busy ignoring you they're sticking 9 bands on a bill, giving the most unknown bands shitty set times (6:30pm on a Friday!?) and THEN expecting you to sell tickets for an outrageous price if you want to get paid.
Imagine having to schlep tickets to a show that has absolutely no one big on it for $15-$25.
"Hey you've never heard of us but we're playing at 6:30 on Friday and I have tickets for $20. Interested?"
My real friends are awesome but I can't expect they're going to come see us every time under those circumstances.
I can only assume this is true across AZ and not just limited to Tempe/Phx. The first (and only) time we played in Tucson we were promised gas money and couldn't even get the promoter to show up let alone pay us.
I want to make it clear that this is not about money but what independent band can afford to pay out of pocket for their merch, rent a trailer and gas every time they play?
And don't even get me started on band mentality...
Our practice space was BURNT DOWN by another band on accident. We lost THOUSANDS of dollars worth of gear. Thankfully we had insurance but that band has never acknowledged or even apologized for what they did.
Fortunately we've taken time off to write and record as well. Playing shows is something we all miss a lot and I'm not speaking for anyone else in my band but I've kind of resigned myself to the fact that Arizona is not the place to ask for or expect any help. Sadly it's every man for himself.
I hate to be all Negative Nancy but I feel your pain sister.
You're not alone.
Thanks for reading and commenting. The promoter situation here is a whole other can of worms! I have a little article in the works on that too.
ReplyDeleteWe're originally from the midwest too, Illinois! I noticed how different the music scene was when I moved here too. I hated it! I still hate it, but I've found a lot of the people that actually do care and figured out the people to stay away from.
Sorry to hear about your equipment getting destroyed. That's awful.
Send me a msg about your band and I can do my best to help you out on shows and what not. Perhaps you could play a show with us when we get back into the swing of things.